Hi, everyone from New York Magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

Two years after electing a president, voters usually

sour on the party in the White House, and they're in the mood to throw the bums out. But President

Trump sees the loss of the House Senate or both as an existential threat, and he'd like to see

the Republican Party nationalize elections in 15 states. Trump says he's going to mandate

voter ID laws across the country, and if he has his way, mail-in voting will be illegal.

What's more, the FBI raided the Fulton County election hub in Georgia and seized ballots from the

2020 election, and his administration is demanding voter rolls from across the country.

So in order to try to wrap our heads around Trump's strategy for undermining the upcoming elections,

I brought together three experts, a journalist and an election administrator and a law professor.

Natalie Adona is the registrar of voters for Marin County, California. She is the co-author of

understanding the voter experience and stewards of democracy. She's a contributing author for the

recently published book Local Election Administrators in the United States, and she personally

experienced harassment at the hands of MAGA election deniers. Susan B. Glasser is a staff

writer at The New Yorker. She writes a weekly column on Life in Washington and is a host of the

political scene podcast. Her recent article on this topic, Donald Trump already knows the 2026 election

is rigged, is essential reading. And Nate Persilli is a professor at

Stanford Law School and the co-director of the Stanford Law AI Initiative. He is an expert on

election law and redistricting and the co-author of the leading election law casebook, The Law

of Democracy. I know a lot of you are confused. I'm confused. I'm upset and I don't know

what is up and what is down. So this is an important conversation for you and for me. Stick around. Support for this show comes from Vanta.

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