Today on the Grave Talks, the demons of Lizzie Borden, a conversation with Sam Beltruces.

Lacey Borden, everyone thinks they know the story, everyone thinks it's an open and shutcase,

and maybe there are some playful spirits at what is now a bed and breakfast.

Everyone better think again.

Today we dive into the dark story of the Bordons and uncover more than just a tale of murder,

but rather a tale of a dark entity that possibly took over several of the Bordons over decades,

and may still be at work today.

Suppose you've watched the Discovery Plus documentary on the topic.

In that case, we're going to take you one step

deeper as we discuss this case with a man who experienced the spirits both good and evil

firsthand in that very film. Sam Baltruces, today on the Grave Talks. So my knowledge of the Borden case was pretty much, I've written 13 books and two of the

books featured the Borden Murder.

So I was a journalist for 20 years and I actually, one of the first articles I ever pitched

when I worked for Newsweek was on the B Borden murder house being turned into a bed and

breakfast. So I had you know I would say like 20 years of experience but I would say

that you know like looking at the the murders with a lens of trying to figure out

who done it. You know it's one of those things you can never really figure out.

So I kind of gave up that, that approach and wanted to focus more on the spirits that were

associated with the house.

Because, you know, having gone to the murder house on 2nd Street and Fall River multiple times,

I was connecting to the spirits,

and I wanted to kind of like get their point of view and talk to the spirits. So I would say

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