In 2014, Pastor Mark Driscoll abruptly resigned from Mars Hill Church after an investigation

found him guilty of arrogance and a pattern of abusive leadership.

Then Driscoll moved south to Arizona to start another church.

And as my guest will describe today, it's deja vu all over again.

Welcome to the Roy's report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church.

I'm Julie Roy's.

And joining me today are two men who just recently received cease and desist letters from

Mark Driscoll and the Trinity Church.

Apparently, Driscoll doesn't want you to hear

what these men are going to say, but both of them say they cannot stay silent. They say Driscoll is not

running a church, he's running a cult. The Driscoll family is treated like royalty with their own

private security team. The church, too, is like a compound with

cameras and security everywhere. And if you happen to get on the wrong side of Mark Driscoll

and his family, you're not only kicked out of the church, but in one case, a family was

surveilled 24-7 by investigators hired by the church. But it gets worse. My guests say upwards of a hundred families have recently

left the church, and those who haven't gone quietly are now being threatened with litigation.

According to my guest, Driscoll has threatened to sue and bankrupt former members,

and he has a litigation fund of approximately $10 million. Well, in just a minute, you'll hear from my

guest, Chad Fries and Ben Aeneas. Chad was the former head of security at Driscoll's Trinity

Church in Phoenix, Arizona, and Ben served on the security detail. But before I speak with them,

I want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson

University and Marquart of Barrington. Judson is a top-ranked Christian University, providing

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