According to Mark Driscoll, the Trinity Church in Scottsdale, Arizona is all about Jesus,

but insiders say that's not true. It's all about Mark and control and money. Welcome to the

Roy's report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church.

I'm Julie Roy's. And joining me for part two of Inside the Driscoll cult are Chad Fries, the former

head of security at the Trinity Church, and Ben Ennius, a former member of Trinity's security detail.

Chad and Ben say Trinity is not a church, it's a cult, and in this episode, you'll hear

about things like the spectrum of trust. This is a scale that Mark Driscoll uses to rate the loyalty

of staff and members. You'll also hear about the web of celebrity pastors that run cover for

Driscoll and platform his ministry. And you'll hear some crazy stories, like the time the man providing wise counsel for Trinity

instructed Chad to pay parking tickets with gift cards likely donated for single moms.

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one, 123.com. Well, again, joining me today is Chad Fries, a retired Marine and former head of

security for the Trinity Church. Also joining me is Ben

Ennis, a former member of the security team at the Trinity Church. We pick up our discussion with a

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