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Inside Impeachment

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Politics, News, News Commentary

4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2021

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Dahlia Lithwick is joined by Daniel Goldman, who spearheaded the first round of impeachment hearings in the House in December 2019 as the senior adviser and director of investigations for the U.S. House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. They examine what impeachment last time can teach us about impeachment this time, and why we’ve got to stop thinking like lawyers when it comes to the Senate trial.


In our Slate Plus segment, Mark Joseph Stern joins Dahlia to discuss the attempted sub-coup at the Justice Department, the first Biden-era sightings of the long tail of Trump’s judicial appointments, and the conservative legal establishment’s choice to embrace Trumpists after Jan. 6. 

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0:00.0

These senators who are all victims of this impeachable crime are going to be sitting in judgment as to whether or not Donald Trump should be disqualified from future office because he incited the riot that ultimately jeopardized their lives.

0:24.1

That would never happen in a corporate.

0:26.4

But that's the nature of this beast.

0:33.1

Hi, and welcome back to Amicus.

0:35.3

This is Slate's podcast about the courts and the law and the Supreme Court and the rule of law. I'm Dahlia Lithwick. I cover justice for Slate and this week opened with the House impeachment managers walking somberly across the Capitol to bring an article of impeachment to the Senate floor.

0:56.5

The week ends with 45 Republican senators voting for a procedural motion that would have

1:02.6

declared the impeachment of a former president unconstitutional.

1:07.6

So in just over a week, the Senate trial will begin.

1:11.4

And today, we're going to talk on the show about whether and why it's worth pressing forward with an impeachment trial that is pretty much doomed to end in acquittal.

1:21.8

And we're going to talk with Daniel Goldman, who served as Democratic Counsel for the House Intelligence Committee in the first

1:28.8

impeachment of Donald J. Trump just over a year ago. Later on the show, we're going to talk

1:34.5

to Slate's very own Mark Joseph Stern about the attempt from a Trump-appointed judge to stymie

1:41.8

Joe Biden's immigration pause. It comes less than a week after inauguration.

1:47.6

We're also going to talk about the commission that is being pulled together to at least consider

1:52.8

court expansion. That segment is only accessible to Slate Plus members. Thank you. Thank you for

1:59.6

being the support we need right now at the magazine. If you are not a Slate Plus members. Thank you. Thank you for being the support we need right now at the

2:01.5

magazine. If you are not a Slate Plus member, you can always sign up at slate.com slash amicus plus

2:08.5

and access bonus content like My Conversations with Mark. You will also get ad-free versions of

2:15.7

all of Slate's network of podcasts and you will never, ever hit a paywall on Slate.com.

2:21.7

So that is slate.com slash amicus plus, and we thank you, as we always do, for supporting our work.

2:29.7

With the permission of the Senate, I will now read the article of impeachment.

2:34.6

House of Resolution 24 in the House of Representatives, the United of the Senate, I will now read the article of impeachment. House Resolution 24 in the House of Representatives, United States, January 13th, 2021,

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