Before we begin today's episode of Australian true crime, I want to tell you about a new project

we've been working on behind the scenes. It's called She Matters. It's a new podcast from

award-winning journalist and femicide researcher Shirel Moody. Each week, Shirel speaks with

families of women and children killed in Australia, sharing who they were, the joy they brought,

and the love they left behind. She Matters isn't a true crime podcast. It's about lives lived, lives loved and lives

lost. She Matters is produced by Dashmade podcasts in association with bravecasting media.

She Matters is available wherever you get your podcasts.

Every case leaves a bruise.

And over the course of a long career, then those bruises mount up.

And I often used to compare it to kind of walking through a field where you've got those sticky

seeds and by the time you get to

the other side of the field, you're covered in them.

Andrew Stamper is a 40-year veteran of the Victorian Police Service. He took on major

investigative roles from the early 2000s,

and he joins us again on Australian True Crime for this second part of a special two-part

series. This is Australian True Crime. We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which

this podcast is created, the Wurundri Woi Warang people of the Kulin Nation.

And a warning, this episode of the podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence.

I was told very early in my police career that you can always go from being Mr Nice to Mr. angry, but you can always go from being Mr. Nice to Mr.

angry, but you can never go from being Mr. Angry to Mr. Nice.

Once you're Mr. Angry, you've got to stay Mr. Angry.

I wonder if you have any tricks that you could share now because you're no longer

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