Inside COP: Teaming Up for the Planet - The Global Mutirão

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🗓️ 23 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Nearly 9 out of 10 people worldwide want their governments to do more on climate. So why does it feel like progress is so slow? And what happens when countries start bending the rules?

This week on Inside COP, Tom Rivett-Carnac, Christiana Figueres, Paul Dickinson and Fiona McRaith react to the shock postponement of the IMO’s net-zero shipping deal, derailed by US pressure. What does this setback reveal about power, diplomacy, and the fragile state of cooperation.

Meanwhile, the COP Presidency is turning a national idea into a global invitation: the Mutirão - a uniquely Brazilian, Indigenous-rooted concept of coming together to get things done for the common good.

Christiana and Paul speak with André Guimarães, the COP Special Envoy for Civil Society, who unpacks the deeper meaning of the Global Mutirão and how it could unite citizens, communities and governments behind climate action that feels both personal and collective. And to bring that spirit alive, Laura Moraes of Earth FC joins to share how the world’s most-loved sport is joining Team Earth - using football’s passion and global reach to rally millions around climate action.

From grief to agency, from stadiums to summits, from Outrage to Optimism, this episode asks: what does it take to feel part of something bigger? And how can each of us play our part in the world’s greatest team effort yet?

Learn more:

🌎 Check out the official COP30 website for background and announcements

🤝 Learn how COP30 is defining “Global Mutirão”

⚽ Get onside and learn more about Earth FC

🚢 Find out how the US torpedoed the IMO’s shipping emissions levy

📋 Read about the Global Goal on Adaptation on the UN Climate Change site

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Video Producer: Caitlin Hanrahan

Audio Editor: Ned Carter Miles

Exec Producer: Ellie Clifford

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to outrage and optimism. I'm Tom Rivikarnik. I'm Christiana Fierrez.
0:07.4	I'm Paul Dickinson. And I'm Fiona McGrath. In this, our latest edition of Inside Cop, we look at what is
0:13.4	meant by a global mutirau and how we can all be part of it. Thanks for being here.
0:19.9	Okay, friends, so I've been really looking forward to this episode. I think of all of the strategies that the Brazilian government is coming up with, the concept of a global Mutu Tao is exactly what we need. And some listeners may be a little confused by what it is, but don't fear you won't be confused for very much longer. But I'm just going to pause on that topic first because I think we have to cover
0:37.9	something else, which has been very important over the course of the last week. And that is the
0:42.5	disappointing outcome from the negotiations at the International Maritime Organization in London,
0:48.0	where the expected adoption of the Net Zero framework was postponed by a year, basically because of US lobbying, and I would go so far as to say, intimidation and bullying.
1:00.2	So I wonder if you want to kick off with that.
1:02.4	Did any of you want to take us through what happened at the IMO?
1:05.6	You do, Tom.
1:06.8	Okay.
1:07.6	So I went on the Today program, the BBC, the morning of this vote, and confidently predicted that this would not happen, which shows you...
1:13.7	Why did you do that, Tom?
1:14.7	Well, I mean, maybe two reasons. One, it's possible that I was ill-informed, or secondarily, I thought that actually the world would hold together in a different way.
1:21.1	When will you learn?
1:23.2	Thank you, Paul.
1:25.2	So in April this year, the International Maritime Organization adopted a net zero framework,
1:30.4	which was intended to help the shipping industry get to net zero by 2050 by putting in place
1:35.4	financial incentives to encourage investment in clean fuels and to facilitate the transformation
1:41.0	of their infrastructure.
1:42.6	Ships, of course, last a very long time. If you want to get
1:44.8	to NetZero by 2050, we've got to really start thinking about it now at the latest because a ship
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