Inside China's Surveillance State: Liza Lin and Josh Chin

Intelligence Matters

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🗓️ 4 January 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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This week on Intelligence Matters, Michael Morell speaks with Wall Street Journal reporters Liza Lin and Josh Chin about their new book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control. Their new reporting examines how China's data collection goes beyond that of other countries as China seeks to create a model to export as an alternative to democratic governance. Lin and Chin detail Silicon Valley's involvement in the buildup of China's surveillance state and how the technology is used to surveil Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

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0:00.0	Josh Chin is the deputy bureau chief in China for the Wall Street Journal.
0:06.0	Liza Lin covers data use and privacy for the Wall Street Journal from Singapore.
0:11.0	Together, Liza and Josh are the authors of surveillance state, inside China's quest to launch a new era of social control.
0:18.0	They join me today to talk about that book. We'll be right back with that discussion after a quick break.
0:23.0	I'm Michael Moral and this is Intelligence Matters.
0:32.0	In March 2020, a family on the Northern China reservation in Lamedir Montana got shocking news about their loved one.
0:39.0	Christy wouldn't die.
0:40.0	My daughter came and notified me that Christy was run over.
0:45.0	And I said, it should be okay. And she's like, no, she died. I was like, what?
0:49.0	Missing justice from CBS News takes you inside what really happened that night and the federal investigation that followed.
0:56.0	Listen to Missing Justice from CBS News on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.
1:01.0	This is the takeout with Major Garrett.
1:05.0	Dr. Anthony Fauci is our special guest. Elon Musk says he'll release Fauci files on Twitter.
1:10.0	What are your concerns if any about the Fauci files on Twitter?
1:14.0	Well, A, no concerns and B, I have no idea what he's talking about.
1:17.0	Musk also said that you should be prosecuted.
1:20.0	Major, I don't have a clue of what he's talking about.
1:22.0	Anything you want to personally say to Elon Musk?
1:24.0	No, I have nothing to say to him.
1:26.0	For more from this week's conversation, follow the takeout with Major Garrett on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
1:35.0	Lisa, Josh, it is great to have you on Intelligence Matters. Welcome.
1:40.0	Thank you. It's a real pleasure to be here.
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