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sellers. Nippy, welcome to Lockton. How

you doing today? Good, man. Ian, great to be here. Yeah, thanks so much to Spotify for connecting

us, Travis Morningstar. Travis is great. We met him at CrimeCon last spring. We were just looking

for an area to get outside and get some air and people were out there smoking. We got away from the smoke and he came over and started talking to us and here we are. Wow. So that's when you guys signed up with the Spotify program. Yeah. He knew who we had heard of our podcast. Sierra and him started trading emails and that's how we got here. That's so cool. Yeah. And told me about it and I was like, I know that name because I look at the Apple charts a lot and you guys are always in the top ones on like society and culture. Society and culture, isn't that funny? Yeah, we're talking about culture. Well, that's what actually they told me to put mine in. Our rep was like, hey, put it in society and culture because it'll stand out and there's less competition in a way than the true crime world.

Yeah, because true crime, I mean, you're dealing with an enterprise.

Like they've been around since, you know, I was single digits, you know, unsolved mysteries and all that stuff.

So, yeah, I imagine.

Also, if you're not going into the true kind of space to dominate it, like in your peripheral, society and culture would be appropriate, I guess. Yeah. Well, it's really cool. They connected us. Likewise. And your wife is also the author of this book right here that you guys sent me, too. Yes. It's called, I call it scared, you know, a teaser. It's called Scred. Okay. Oh, I didn't even realize it was the same

it's just two hours for the scarred. So I always misread it. Actually, I think I thought it was

scared too. That's funny. And our son has seen it. I was like, it's scared, scared. You know,

I tease her about it. Yeah, well, hopefully we'll have her on the show too.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'll come out to Atlanta.

And she sends her regards, and she's, sorry, she can't make it, but it just worked out. I was going to be in New York. And Matt said, why don't she do that? Come up to Connecticut. And I was like, let's do it. and you guys are a part of the vow, too, which we'll get into later in the app. But, yeah, that's the other thing he mentioned that I remembered because I remember seeing bits and pieces of it. Just a couple pieces of it. It's a big commitment. I got to watch the whole thing. But it's fascinating. I watched the other cult documentary that came out this year about the TikTokers. Yes, we haven't seen that yet. That's really good. I mean, we get inundated with like, you should watch this, you should watch this, and we have like a rolodex of docs we need to get to, but we have not seen that yet, but that's on our list. Yeah, that was my first ever, like, real cult documentary that I actually sat through because it was common with like TikTok.

Yeah, you have crossover. Yeah, so I was interested with that. Well, yeah, I mean, look,

there's, there's going to be crossovers and anything that kind of can capture people and has a

coercive aspect to it. So ultimately those things come on our radar and we get a lot of emails about

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