Welcome to the Real Estate Strategies podcast, where we host in-depth conversations on everything

real estate with the industry's biggest movers and shakers. I'm your host, Ken McElroy, joined by my

co-host, DeNeal. Let's get right into this episode.

Hey, everybody, it's Ken and Denial.

Hello.

Hey, and we've got my friend Clay Ackwinsie.

Clay, what's going on?

I don't know much, Ken.

How you been?

Good, good.

So Clay's with Burkadia, and we've done a lot of business together over the years.

I don't even know.

I was going to try to add it up before,

but who knows? Like, well over maybe 100, 200 million of debt with you, right? Oh, yeah. No,

I think we're north of 300 million at this point. Yeah, there you go. So, yeah. So a lot of you guys

have asked, like, where do Ross and I get our money and how does that all work?

Well, Clay is right in the center of a lot of it.

So, so Clay, welcome to the show.

Before we jump in, let's, let's have a quick conversation about your background.

And today we're going to kind of talk about inflation and interest rates primarily.

But let's talk a little bit about

because this is basically all you do full time. And of course, we're not your only client. I know

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