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Red Lines

Independence Days

Red Lines

BBC

Government

4.478 Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2020

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Michael Portillo talks to Mark Carruthers and UCD historian, Prof Diarmaid Ferriter about his new RTE series 'Hawks and Doves', examining the Irish War Of Independence.

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0:00.0

We all know there's no such thing as an agreed history.

0:03.4

The multiple narratives that exist for any one period on this island in the last 50 years prove that.

0:09.0

What aboutery is a concept we're very familiar with in this part of the world.

0:13.2

So what are we to make of the former Conservative Defence Secretary Michael Portillo

0:17.2

continuing his interest in Irish revolutionary political Political History. His two-part documentary

0:22.7

for RTE, Hawks and Doves, looks at the British response in Ireland's War of Independence a century ago.

0:29.7

Michael, welcome to Red Lines. Thank you very much, Mark. You're very upfront about where you're

0:36.0

coming from in these two programs. You say you wear

0:38.8

yourself a hawk when it came to dealing with the IRA back in the 1980s, but then you changed tack.

0:45.0

And you don't hold back in terms of setting out all the failures of the hawks in the British government

0:49.8

a hundred years ago. Yeah, so first of all, my own position was that I was friendly with Air and Eve.

0:56.5

I had traveled in the car in which he was assassinated. I remember that day very well.

1:01.6

I came into Parliament myself because my predecessor, Tony Berry, was killed in the Brighton bombing.

1:07.2

And sometime after that, a very good friend of mine, Ian Gow, was also murdered by the IRA.

1:12.8

So all of those were members of Parliament.

1:15.6

And when I became a minister, I was in the Thacher government,

1:20.0

and of course the Thetra government approach to the IRA and Sinn Féin was pretty hawkish.

1:26.3

I've been investigating the British government's response to the War of

1:30.3

Independence between 1919 and 1921. That's a relatively brief period, but again, you see a very

1:37.5

distinct movement from a hawkish position at the beginning, which really means that they regard the

1:43.9

outbreak of violence as basically

1:46.1

criminal, something that should be and can be controlled by the police and maybe increasingly

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