Hey, it's Jim. A few days ago, Carl Feiffer, John McEdward and myself went out into the field

and recorded, shot, edited, scored, two videos for the Ufumette Patreon. Patrons can see this video

at patreon.com slash ufumette. What you'll hear now is the audio version of this video.

This is a thank you to the patrons who have supported this show for so very long,

and we hope you enjoyed this experiment.

Luminality is the end between a space in which unmapped becomes a place of obsession and lore,

a memory of one small crack on a sphere, its own surface refusing to be made flat.

Without distortion, once a plane, now merely a projection of the unknown.

I'm Jim Perry, and this is in liminal. Conversation somewhere in between.

Some may know my friend Gareth Kelly as the kindly creator of liminal earth,

this crowdsourced digital map of amazing experiences. But what some don't know is he's an

absolute wild genius when it comes to developing new technology for paranormal experiments.

DIY, very strange, artful, his designs, thoughts, and aims are for an open source paranormal world,

and I've been invited into his lab to experience it for myself.

You know, this experience is really interesting and I'm glad you're the first one that I'm trying

this out with because it's a new thing, it's a new territory, and it's been an entire day.

No, I mean, longer than that, a day of like sort of getting here, of assembling the gear,

of assembling Carl and John, assembling what we were going to do.

The pandemic in some ways was a lot easier, my friend.

Right, right.

Since, since we're all back out in the world now, how do you feel like that has affected

your work in phenomenology, in studying and playing with the phenomenon?

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