Improv: Fostering Connection in Challenging Conversations – Replay – (287)
Therapist Uncensored Podcast
Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD
4.7 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 16 December 2025
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
A replay episode from our powerful interview with Lisa Kays on how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression.
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Improv in Therapy and in Life –
Explore the power – and sheer fun – of using improvisation in therapy!
Dr. Ann Kelley and Lisa Kays discuss how improv can deepen conversations around tough topics like race and oppression. They examine white supremacy culture and show how improv values like collaboration, slowing down, and embracing complexity can challenge these norms. Improv fosters creativity, playfulness, and self-reflection to help reduce defensiveness and strengthen relationships in everyday life, at work, or in our closest relationships. By creating a supportive, collaborative environment, improv deepens connections and helps people tap into a wider range of emotions.
“A culture of improvisation is collaborative – it is nature – you cannot do it by yourself.” – Lisa Kays
Time Stamps for Improv in Therapy & Life
03:30 The integration of improv and tough conversations
10:03 The origins of improv and its connection to social justice
14:27 Contrasting white supremacy culture and improv culture
19:20 Questioning cultural norms and valuing relationships
25:29 The power of the ‘And’ in joining and connecting
38:27 The power of improv in building secure relationships
53:25 Embracing creativity and letting go of perfectionism
58:12 Creating a culture of support and collaboration
01:05:04 Applying improv in everyday life
01:09:10 Deepening connections and accessing different emotions
About our Guest for Improv Therapy – Lisa Kays LICSW, LCSW, LCSW-C
Lisa Kays, LICSW, LCSW-C, LCSW, is an independently licensed clinical social worker in Washington, D.C, Maryland, Virginia, Oregon and New Jersey. She obtained her MSW from Catholic University in 2011 and has worked in a variety of clinical settings. Since 2013, she has been in private practice, providing individual, couples and group therapy to adults. She has interest in social work ethic and has published on and leads ethics training on the intersection of technology, social media and social work ethics as well as anti-racism and systemic oppression. Her practice also provides opportunities for other presenters to develop CE trainings on under-taught topics linked to social justice, systemic racism, and oppression. In addition to her traditional psychotherapy work, Lisa was a performing improviser from 2007-2019 and was on the faculty of Washington Improv Theatre from 2008-2016. She developed Washington Improv Theater’s first Improv for Therapist’s class and has offered Improv for Therapists courses, workshops and trainings to individual clinicians, pastors, life coaches, and psychiatrists, as well as clinical agencies. Since its inception, Lisa has trained more than 500 people in the application of improvisation to foster personal growth and stronger and more cohesive groups. Lisa has been invited to lead trainings in improv-informed therapy at the American Academy of Psychotherapists, the Mid-Atlantic Group Psychotherapy Association, the American Group Psychotherapy Association, and at The Psychotherapy Networker, among others. Her work has been featured in The Washington Post and on NBC4. Recently, Lisa launched a humor, humility-infused podcast, “What if Nothing’s Wrong With You?” with co-host Paula D. Atkinson on themes related to therapy, mental health, oppression, patriarchy and how it’s all interconnected.
Resources for Improv Therapy –
Lisa Kay’s – Website & Resources
The Fierce Urgency of Now: Improvisation, Rights, and the Ethics of Cocreation (Improvisation, Community, and Social Practice) – by Fischlin, Daniel; Heble, Ajah; Lipsitz, George
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| 0:00.0 | I feel like our culture and what's happening is we're only taught to tap into rage and to anger. |
| 0:08.4 | And when I'm in this embodied kind of improvisational place, you can get into so many more layers, right? |
| 0:17.0 | Of like joy, laughter. |
| 0:18.9 | It feels nice just to laugh with people. |
| 0:20.7 | I think that's part of what we |
| 0:21.7 | were all enjoying that day. It was like we're just laughing, but also grief. Like I think we'd |
| 0:27.5 | have different conversations if more people had some embodied grief about like climate change. |
| 0:33.9 | We're just not, you can't get there. And I think we need those layers. It's the other |
| 0:41.2 | exploration that in an improvisational mindset culture makes room for somebody to go, I'm really |
| 0:48.5 | sad about what's happening. Welcome to Therapist Uncensored. Building on decades of professional experience, this podcast |
| 0:57.8 | tackles neurobiology, modern attachment, and more, in an honest way that's helpful in healing humans. |
| 1:03.8 | Your session begins now with Dr. Anne Kelly and Sue Marriott. |
| 1:15.8 | Hey, you guys. |
| 1:20.5 | While we know relationships are wonderful, they are also really hard. |
| 1:25.2 | Many of us believe that they shouldn't be, that if we have good connection and good communication, things will just go smoothly. |
| 1:28.4 | But it's really that belief that can make us feel stubborn and even more hopeless. So relationships take work. It does for |
| 1:34.5 | Sue and I. We can make it look easy. It's not. And one of the ways is because many of us, we differ. |
| 1:40.1 | We differ in what activates us, what makes us feel threat, the expectation. and it's these differences that are held in our body, not our thoughts. |
| 1:48.1 | And they influence how we talk, how we love, how we fight. |
| 1:51.7 | So holding that belief, if he or she or they could just understand me, if they love me, they do something different is not really true. |
| 1:59.5 | And we're talking about relationships with your partner, your teenager, your mother-in-law. |
| 2:05.4 | So soon I've created an online course that can help you understand yourself and those |
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