And the first of those instances was the president's ordering his then White House

Council, Don McGann, to fire the special council, rather to have the special council fired,

in order to thwart the investigation of the

president correct that is correct and the second was the president ordering

mr mccan to create a false written record the president

had ordered him to have Mr. McGann to create a false written record.

This is the Tom Hartman program.

And happy impeachment day right now just to bring you up to date.

The four witnesses who are all law experts and law professors Michael Gerhart, Pamela Carlin, Noah Feldman, and

Jonathan Turley. They have all testified before the House Judiciary Committee

about what the founders thought was an impeachable offense.

Jonathan Turley was the one witness that was requested by the Republicans.

And he essentially said, it's okay to impeach a president and you know this guy may have committed crimes or may not but you guys need to do a little longer

Deeper dig and a longer dive into this thing before you come to conclusions. At least that was my

understanding of the essence of what he said. Right now Norman Eisen, who is the

attorney for the Democrats, is questioning the law professors.

He pretty much has not gone to Jonathan Turley.

And the star of this thing is Pamela Carlin, this woman who just passionately spoke

out, said Thanksgiving, she ordered a turkey that was pre-cooked so that she can read all the reports,

you know, all the testimony of the people who testified before the House Intelligence Committee.

So with that, I'm going to turn it over to the hearings right now where Norman I's and

the lawyer for the Democrats, he has 45 minutes to question these witnesses and then

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