Hello, everybody. This is Robbie Gupta. And starting now, we're going to drop special

episodes on this feed related to education. And for those of you listen to Regressives,

which is another sort of series that we put on this feed in addition to the

last debate show, it's going to work similar to that in the sense that every couple of

weeks when we have a really important education discussion, I want you to hear it sometimes

in long format, you know, something longer than a segment, you know. And so that's what we're doing here. And it's

going to be under the Enbrolio banner. Enbrolio is our newsletter for the Lost Debate. You can go

subscribe to that on Substack for free. That's where we write about a lot of education issues. We also

remind our readers of any content across the branch universe about anything we've said or done

in the branch or the Lost Debate Show or any of our other shows related to education.

And this is going to be our first of many discussions on audio for Embrolio.

And I talked to Corey DeAngelis today, who's a big school choice proponent, and he's somebody who is

very pro-voucher, very pro-education savings account, and don't worry, listener, we'll explain what

those concepts mean.

And in this interview, there's basically two parts to it.

And the first part, we find common ground where I think we agree on some

high-level points about how government service is delivered. And then in the second part of this

interview, I think you'll notice there are certain areas where we depart, like how regulated

certain aspects of school choice should be, whether we should use standardized testing and other

metrics to evaluate the quality of

those programs, et cetera.

So, you know, and also like how we evaluate the evidence of the effectiveness of those programs

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