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Imagining A World Without Prisons Or Police

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Society & Culture

4.614.5K Ratings

🗓️ 1 December 2021

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

When Derecka Purnell was growing up, the police were a regular presence in her life. Years later, the lawyer, activist, and author of the new book, Becoming Abolitionists, realized that her vision of a just society was radically different from the world in which she'd been socialized.

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0:00.0

I'm Karen Gook's Bebaits, and this is Coatswitch from MPR.

0:07.4

In the past month, we've watched several major court cases unfold, cases that have illuminated

0:12.6

a lot about how race and justice work in the US.

0:16.5

There was the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, the white 18-year-old who shot and killed two

0:21.2

people during the unrest last year in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and who was acquitted of all charges

0:26.6

in November.

0:29.3

A few days later, the three white men who chased down and killed Amard Arbery were all found

0:35.5

guilty for his murder.

0:37.6

Arbery, you'll remember, was a 25-year-old black man who was attacked while he was jogging

0:42.4

in Brunswick, Georgia last year.

0:45.8

November also saw the trial of organizers of the 2017 Unite the Right Rally in Charlottesville.

0:52.4

Those people were found liable for inciting violence, although as our MPR colleagues reported,

0:57.4

quote, jurors could not reach a verdict on two separate federal conspiracy charges over

1:02.6

whether organizers conspired to commit racially motivated violence or whether they had knowledge

1:08.0

of it and failed to prevent it.

1:10.6

Each of these cases has sparked discussions about whether justice was served, whether these

1:15.1

cases are anomalies or the norm, and what precedent they might set going forward in this

1:20.1

country.

1:21.4

But there's also what seems to be a louder and louder chorus, suggesting that trials

1:25.7

like these will never be able to enact real justice, and that policing and trials and

1:30.8

prison sentences are not the path to justice, no matter how a jury winds up ruling.

1:37.4

Derricka Pernel is one of the leading voices in that chorus.

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