But even the frame, law enforcement, or policing, those are frameworks that come from the

white imagination.

Because the white imagination says we need to be protected from them.

This is Sarah and Beth, your listening to Pantzuit Politics, the home of Grace Filled Political

Conversations.

Hello everyone.

Thank you so much for joining us for this episode of Pantzuit Politics.

Sarah is spending some time with her family and I miss her and will be excited to be in

conversation with her again next week.

And I am so honored that Lisa Sharon Harper agreed to join me for this episode.

Lisa has been with us before in conversation about what it requires of white women to

be allies to our sisters of color.

Lisa is a minister.

She is an author.

She is a prolific speaker.

She founded Freedom Road, which helps to shrink the narrative gap in our nation by designing

forums and experiences that bring common understanding, common commitment, and common action.

Freedom Road has a podcast that you should listen to.

Lisa is the author of a number of books, including the very good gospel.

We will put links to all of Lisa's information in the show notes.

I wanted to talk with Lisa today about a tweet that I saw in which she suggested that this

is a time to imagine what the world could look like without police.

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