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🗓️ 17 September 2025
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| 0:00.0 | This is Scott Carrier, sitting on my front porch in Salt Lake City. |
| 0:08.6 | Last time, I said I was going to go look for some creativity or inspiration. |
| 0:14.6 | And so I went fishing for a week up in my favorite mountains, and it worked. |
| 0:20.1 | I forgot all about the problems of the world, |
| 0:22.7 | felt like a new man, happy to be alive. But then I came back down from the mountains, and Charlie |
| 0:30.6 | Kirk was shot at the university where I used to work from the top of the building where I had an |
| 0:36.9 | office I almost never went to. |
| 0:40.6 | Back then, over a decade ago, lots of students at this school were carrying guns in their |
| 0:46.5 | backpacks. I asked one, why do you bring a gun to class? And he said, to fight evil. And I said, in school, we learned how to fight evil |
| 0:57.1 | with words, not guns. He said nothing, but the look on his face was like he wanted to shoot me, |
| 1:04.7 | like I was evil. Charlie Kirk thought he was teaching students how to fight evil with words. |
| 1:11.6 | That was his purpose in speaking at the university, |
| 1:15.6 | but a student from another school thought Kirk was spreading hatred, |
| 1:20.6 | that Kirk was evil and needed to be killed. |
| 1:24.6 | It's all very confusing and kind of scary. Now the flags around town are flying at |
| 1:32.4 | half-mast and people are saying Kirk is a Christian martyr like Joan of Arc and that Democrats and |
| 1:40.0 | liberals are evil. I know I should be out talking to people about what's happening to our country, |
| 1:46.5 | but I also know I don't want to hear what they'll say. Not yet, anyway. So I'm going to play this |
| 1:53.8 | piece by Charles Bowden that seems to sum up what's happening now, even though he wrote it 30 years |
| 2:00.1 | ago in a book called Blood |
| 2:01.9 | Orchid. He called it a response or a riff on Imagine, the song by John Lennon. |
| 2:09.9 | Imagine the problem is not physical. Imagine the problem has never been physical, that it is |
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