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From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle.

This is Tangle.

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening, and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some reasonable debate and independent thinking without the hysterical nonsense you find everywhere else. I am your host, Isaac Saul, and on today's show, we are sitting down with Alana Redstone. She is a professor of sociology at the University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign. More importantly, she is a faculty fellow at Heterodox Academy and the co-author

of unassailable ideas, how unwritten rules and social media shape, discourse, and American higher

education. Alana, thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here,

Isaac.

So I just recently stumbled across some of your work and Heterodox Academy, and I was just thrilled.

I mean, it's very much in the ethos of my newsletter, which I like to think is a space for safe debate and open inquiry.

And I'd love to hear maybe if you could just tell our audience a little bit about Heterodox Academy, what you guys do and why it's needed in this moment right now.

Yeah, I mean, so heterodox. So I've been involved with Heterodox Academy for about three years,

I guess. I mean, they've been around for a couple years longer than that. But, I mean, the organization

broadly is, I mean, they started out with a focus on higher

education and sort of advocating for a diversity of perspectives in higher education.

And I think they've last, I think it was probably about a year ago, they expanded to

the K through 12 part of education.

So really trying to think carefully about what a diversity of

perspectives looks like in education, from K through 12 up through post-secondary education.

And all of that entails. Yeah.

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