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If Scientology Ruled the World pt. 2 with Jon Atack

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8566 Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we continue exploring Jon Atack’s latest work, "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming."

In our previous episode with Jon, we began unpacking the intricate web of beliefs that form the foundation of Scientology. Today, we'll go even deeper, examining the historical connections between Scientology and other esoteric movements, from Madame Blavatsky's Theosophy to surprising links with occult practices.

Jon brings his unique perspective as both a former high-ranking Scientologist and as the author of the definitive historical account of the organization. His firsthand experience, combined with decades of research, makes him one of the most knowledgeable voices on this subject.

We'll explore ideas about aliens, ancient civilizations, and the bizarre cosmology that forms Scientology's secret upper-level teachings. Jon will help us understand how these beliefs connect to broader patterns found in destructive authoritarian groups throughout history.


Jon’s Links

If Scientology Ruled the World: https://www.amazon.com/If-Scientology-Ruled-World-Occultists-ebook/dp/B0FP5PMNJT

Jon’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@jonatackfamilyfriends6176

Jon’s Website: https://jonatack.co.uk/


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0:00.0

Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

0:11.1

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

0:13.9

You are not alone. And now there are two resources that I've put together specifically for your journey.

0:29.6

This is your host, Rachel Bernstein.

0:32.9

I am an educator and a therapist and a cult specialist,

0:41.0

and I am very excited to announce restart and restore a journal for survivors of manipulation and a companion notebook that I've put

0:51.4

together to go with it that has people's stories that they've shared

0:57.1

with me, that they wanted to share with you, and some wonderful quotes from people whose thoughts

1:04.3

I truly admire, and more pages and writing prompts for you to continue with the writing that can help you along your

1:15.1

healing journey.

1:17.2

This isn't just another blank journal.

1:20.9

It's a trauma-informed recovery companion, and it offers psychoeducation on the mechanics of manipulation and control and

1:30.7

therapeutic writing prompts to explore your history and your strengths, practical exercises that transform

1:39.0

insights into some actionable steps, and the freedom to heal at your own pace. You can do it in the time frame

1:49.1

that works for you without any judgment or pressure. Whether you joined the organization or the

1:56.3

relationship that was controlling as a teen or as an adult, restart and restore provides the structure

2:03.3

and I think validation needed to process your experiences safely. I'm also excited to share

2:11.0

beyond the journal and its companion notebook that I'm currently working on a second journal

2:17.1

specifically for those born and

2:19.2

raised in high control groups or high control family units as their healing journey often involves

2:26.2

different and specialized challenges restart and restore and its companion notebook are available now

2:34.0

and you can find the link in the show notes.

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