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If Scientology Ruled the World pt. 1 with Jon Atack

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8566 Ratings

🗓️ 8 October 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we're diving into Jon Atack’s new book "If Scientology Ruled the World: Nazi Occultists, Sex Magick, Space Aliens, and the Second Coming" - an exploration that connects the dots between various authoritarian movements, their shared origins, and the psychological dynamics at play.

Jon spent nine years as a member of Scientology before becoming one of its most informed critics. He's dedicated decades to studying destructive groups, helping former members recover, and understanding how these organizations trap and manipulate people.

In this conversation, we'll explore the fascinating connections between 20th-century cults, the New Age movement, and figures like Madame Blavatsky. We'll examine the psychological underpinnings of authoritarian systems and why certain leaders seem to change their doctrines at whim while maintaining control over their followers.


Jon’s Links

If Scientology Ruled the World: https://www.amazon.com/If-Scientology-Ruled-World-Occultists-ebook/dp/B0FP5PMNJT

Jon’s YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@jonatackfamilyfriends6176

Jon’s Website: https://jonatack.co.uk/


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0:00.0

Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

0:11.1

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

0:13.9

You are not alone. And now there are two resources that I've put together specifically for your journey.

0:29.6

This is your host, Rachel Bernstein.

0:32.9

I am an educator and a therapist and a cult specialist,

0:41.0

and I am very excited to announce restart and restore a journal for survivors of manipulation and a companion notebook that I've put

0:51.4

together to go with it that has people's stories that they've shared

0:57.1

with me, that they wanted to share with you, and some wonderful quotes from people whose thoughts

1:04.3

I truly admire, and more pages and writing prompts for you to continue with the writing that can help you along your

1:15.1

healing journey.

1:17.2

This isn't just another blank journal.

1:20.9

It's a trauma-informed recovery companion, and it offers psychoeducation on the mechanics of manipulation and control and

1:30.7

therapeutic writing prompts to explore your history and your strengths, practical exercises that transform

1:39.0

insights into some actionable steps, and the freedom to heal at your own pace. You can do it in the time frame

1:49.1

that works for you without any judgment or pressure. Whether you joined the organization or the

1:56.3

relationship that was controlling as a teen or as an adult, restart and restore provides the structure

2:03.3

and I think validation needed to process your experiences safely. I'm also excited to share

2:11.0

beyond the journal and its companion notebook that I'm currently working on a second journal

2:17.1

specifically for those born and

2:19.2

raised in high control groups or high control family units as their healing journey often involves

2:26.2

different and specialized challenges restart and restore and its companion notebook are available now

2:34.0

and you can find the link in the show notes.

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