Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in Inside Higher Ed.com that began,

Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of unusual things about it,

each enough to merit a story in itself.

Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic college

that educates students in the great books and Catholic tradition.

It also teaches horsemanship and banned cell phones on campus.

I love that.

And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way.

This college is engaged in deep ways with the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual

center.

We're adventurous and poetic and deeply Catholic. He likes to cite

Dostoevsky in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the soul. The ceilings rise

at Wyoming Catholic, which is located in the foothills of the Wind River Mountains, the curriculum

centers in the Western tradition. Its Catholic identity builds upon Thomas Aquinas

in the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and engaging with God in the wilderness. Find out more

at Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us today Peter J. Kreeft. He is Professor of Philosophy

at Boston College and his many books include wisdom from the Psalms and heaven, the heart's deepest

longing. His new book is How to Destroy Western Civilization and other ideas from the Cultural Abyss.

I like that title. This is our topic today. Welcome, Professor Kreeft.

Thank you. It's time to be here. You say that there are people out there today out to destroy civilization by doing really

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