Hello there. This is Mark Bauerline with another conversation. Before we get to it,

a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in Insidehiread.com that began, Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of unusual things about it, each enough to merit a story in itself.

Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic college that educates students in the great books

and Catholic tradition. It also teaches horsemanship and banselfones on campus. I love that.

And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way.

This college is engaged in deep ways with the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual center.

We're adventurous and poetic and deeply Catholic.

He likes to cite Dostoevsky in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the soul.

The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic, which is located in the foothills of the Wind River Mountains,

the curriculum centers in the Western tradition. Its Catholic identity builds upon Thomas

Aquinas and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and engaging with God in the wilderness.

Find out more at Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us today, Alec Klein. He's a journalist, an investigator,

and a writer. He's worked at the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal. He has a new book

entitled Aftermath, what it felt like when life was over. Welcome, Mr. Klein.

Thanks for having me. All right. You were at academia as well. You were at Northwestern University

running really a remarkable project there

entitled the Medill Justice Project. What was that? Well, Mark, the short version is that it was a

center investigating wrongful convictions and false accusations. And we were blessed to have helped

many people regain their freedom after they had been charged with or convicted of various crimes, primarily murder. And so the focus was on investigating these cases and trying to help people who needed help, people who were

voiceless, if you will, and out of options.

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