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Ian Manuel, welcome to the Daily Social Distance Show.

Ha ha, the Daily Social Distance Show. Thank you for having me, Trevor.

Man, you have lived a life that I wouldn't wish on anybody.

You've written a book about it, and I'm not gonna lie, your story has all of the,

the most surprising conclusions, because you were 14 years old, and you got sentenced to life.

That was it.

What was really fascinating in the story is how the judge explicitly says,

Hey man, there's no second chances even if you're 14 years old, you know?

When that judge says you're sentenced to life, did you know what that actually meant?

Or how long did it take to sink in?

I didn't recognize that life meant life until I was nearly in my 20s or 30s.

As a child, you don't recognize what life without parole means.

And that was based on a Florida law that says a child of any age indicted for a life for defilement

should be treated in every respect as if he were an adult.

And that law is still on the book, so children can still be subjected to this no matter if they're 8, 9 or 10.

It felt horrible, man. No human being should be treated like that, especially a child.

You weren't just sentenced to life with no parole.

You at some point were sent to solitary confinement, and you spent what over a decade in solitary confinement?

Actually, I spent 18 consecutive years from the time George H. W. Bush was president

to when Barack Obama was on his second year of his first turn.

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