This episode is brought to you by Fully Gemstones.

I mean, if you see a piece, you know, you're going to say, oh, that's Jay's piece. Oh, that's Biggie's Jesus piece. Oh, that's ghost faces, you know, arm eagle pendant.

So they want to be different and stand out, and they want you to be able to look at a piece

and know that that's their piece. I'm Carol Houlton, the voice of jewelry. Welcome to if

jewels could talk. I'm an author and broadcaster, and the woman who

initiated the role of jewelry editor at magazines like Tatler and Vogue. This is a podcast for everyone,

for people who do like jewelry, for people who don't realize they like jewelry, and anyone

intrigued by fascinating facts, new ideas and forgotten histories.

So join me as I tell sparkly tales and meet all sorts of people

delving into four centuries of jewelry culture

and investigate what's happening now.

Thank you. what's happening now. We started our series of American shows two weeks ago with the incredible story of

creativity and jewelry from David and Sybil Yeoman, the iconic American jewelers.

And today we're continuing the series.

I'll be talking with Vicki Torbach, who is the author of Ice Cold,

which explores the history of hip-hop jewelry.

And indeed, she's also curated an exhibition of the same name at the American Natural History Museum.

As she says, the history of jewelry is woven into the fabric of music,

and that's what we'll be talking about today, the relationship between these two creative fields.

Vicki, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. And we are actually surrounded by Bling and we are locked in. It's sort of really a bling vault really here at the

Mineral Hall. So if you hear a little echo, it's because we're

actually in here, we're surrounded by the diamonds, glass, and a stone floor. So Vicky, this is

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