This episode is brought to you by Fully Gemstones.

You're at the kitchen table. Are you fighting for space? Are you collaborating? Are you showing each other what you're working on at that moment?

All of those things occur at different times depending on our mood and how cranky one of us is.

She's speaking of me in code, by the way.

Like every wife.

She's very seldom cranky.

I'm very often cranky.

I'm Carol Horton, the voice of jewelry.

Welcome to if jewels could talk.

I'm an author and broadcaster and the woman who initiated the role of jewelry editor at magazines like Tatler and Vogue.

This is a podcast for everyone.

For people who do like jewelry, for people who don't realize they like jewelry,

and anyone intrigued by fascinating facts, new ideas and forgotten histories.

So join me as I tell sparkly tales and meet all sorts of people, delving into four centuries of jewelry culture,

and investigate what's happening now.

I have as my guests, David and Sybil Yerman, or Sybil and David Yermann,

whichever way around, they are a true partnership, and they

are the owners of the American Jewelry Company of the same name. So Sybil and David, thank you so

much for joining me today. It's our pleasure. Yeah, my pleasure as well. Over the years, so many people

have talked and said to me, you know, jewelry is wearable art. But in your two cases,

it really is wearable art. I mean, Sybil is an artist, creator and businesswoman. David

is a sculpture of three-dimensional objects. And together, you have redefined the rules of of crafting jewelry. And because you've done it

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