Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. We have with us. I'm really excited for this. One of my absolute favorite people, Ian Crossland. He is co-host of the

team cast IRL. And Ian, you were, this is why you're one of my favorite people. I'll tell the whole backstory. I haven't told you this. Okay. I'm not a nice person. And the first time or one of the first times I was on Tim, I'm not, I don't watch podcasts. I don't watch shows. You were there. I didn't know who you were. I knew Tim and Lydia. You started interjecting. I'm like, who is this guy? I gave, I thought you were just some fan. I gave you the nastiest look and you just caught yourself. Then as I got to know you, I have really

come to absolutely adore you. And one of the reasons why I admire you so much is you are one of the only people I know who doesn't really have a filter. And when it comes to having like conversations about politics or society, I think that's a really good thing. Because one of the issues I had, I was a business major. And one of the things they taught us is when you're having a brainstorming session, there's no bad ideas. Throw it out there. And even if you're wrong, it might spark something inside.

Someone else's mind. So I don't think you get a fair wrap in terms of how much you move the conversation on Tim show because sometimes just throw something out there. And it's crazy. But a lot of times you're going to see things in different way. And I really, really enjoy talking you both on and off the air.

I'm so good. I remember specifically the moment you're talking about, I was sitting on your left. And I think, or I might have been further away at that end table and you and Alex from the show. And I was like, I want to be a part of this. I was like, okay, you guys, you're taking a lead here.

Who is this guy? I was like, this is, but I remember the first time we met, you came over to Tim's, it was when you wore the hat with the spinning thing and we just talked about Judaism. Before you went on the show, I had some, you were very concise, very open-minded. And I, the first time I saw you was on Rogan, I was like, you see, trolling Rogan or is he a dick? I couldn't tell him.

It's about, yeah, yeah. It turned out it was both.

The thing that people don't realize is when you go to Tim's house, it is like a cult because there's lots of young people running around and no, it's not clear who does what and who is there to like raise the chickens and who's there to be on the show.

And I have to be friendly to everybody, but like people change like, you know, they vanish. And, and I'm glad you're there. How did you end up being the co-host?

I met Tim through minds, you know, minds.com. We're going to talk about that with Bill. Yeah.

And Bill was ended up like getting, what do we call it when someone sponsors? Like mindsponsored Tim's videos for a short period of time, like 2017.

And then Bill and Tim did an event and Bill introduced us. And then me and Tim, I always liked him since I saw his stuff.

I could tell like he's honest and he's, he's going through something that I kind of went through.

So I saw him like 2007. I was making YouTube videos and I got red-pilled really hard. And almost I lost a lot of friends. I just lost faith and reality.

And I saw Tim like getting, it seemed like he was also getting stressed about stuff and like confused. And I've been, I kind of was there. I thought, man, not only do I like this guy.

I feel like he's on a similar path that I am. So I, not really aggressively, but I, you know, I just, we just synchronized and I, and then as actually his idea that we should do a show someday.

They did the show in the early days, him and Adam. And then when Adam left, he, he was kind of like slightly aimless for a little while. I thought, why don't you want to come on and do it?

Maybe we can change the direction of the show. We'll start having guests on. And that, that was pretty cool. That's kind of how they're.

So does it, you get a lot of hate. You know, everyone in that show gets a lot of hate. Like Tim gets a lot of hate from the fans. Lydia gets hate her own hate.

Shame is get, you know, whoever does the show gets a lot of the fans, like don't get what you add to the show.

Does that like get under your skin?

No, fortunately, I've been making YouTube videos since 2006. So I, I got really, really blackpilled and I had to go through the ringer like 2006 to eight.

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