And so I'm thinking now, wow, we have an amazing opportunity to get inside the building.

What about law enforcement that got hurt that day? How do you feel about that? 6 o'clock in the morning. Bang, bang, bang, FBI. If you knew how that day was going to unfold beforehand, would you still have one? And some black guy says to me, what are you? I'm thinking like, what are you, what am I? He's like, are you black, Hispanic, Jewish? I'm certainly not black. He was a journalist who covered politics until one day he wasn't covering history.

He was standing in the middle of it.

Two years after walking into the Capitol on January 6th, the FBI showed up at his door.

He ended up in federal prison and then Donald Trump stepped in.

Elliot, welcome to Lockton, man. Pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on the show, man. I never would have expected you to come to prison, go to prison. So crazy. I never expected that either. Yeah, I mean, that's always, people are so fascinating with the stories where you look at someone and you have no idea that they went to prison until they, like, revealed that they went to prison, kind of like how I grew up and ended up going to prison myself. And, you know, those are the most, I think those are the really relatable stories because then it shows it could happen to everyone, anyone. Yes, I agree with you. And I think probably your experience also, you learned to be a teeny bit less judgmental in prison because you realize that, yes, there are people in prison who really did commit horrible crimes. But there are other people in prison just might have made one mistake or maybe didn't even really make a mistake. They did something which was maybe half legal, half not legal, and 99% of people never get arrested for it. And also in that person, for whatever reason the government wanted to come after and then you know you just read the newspaper oh the person went to prison he's probably a criminal it's like no not really actually he's just a null person who the government decides to come after for whatever reason yeah and it's always interesting when i can relate to a guess in the sense where you went to literally danberry federal prison where I was. And you also had a friend you met there who got put in the shoe because he knew a guard from his past, which is exactly what happened to me. So if anyone that didn't

believe that story, it happened out twice at that Danbury Federal Prison. Yes, indeed. That's so

funny. Does it feel weird passing back through Danbury when you came here?

Because this is Richfield, but Danbury you had to pass through the exit to get here. Right. So it was interesting. My first thought was, wow, my mother actually made this trip every single Friday. And my sister made the trip every single Sunday to visit me. And we take things for granted. it's, it's an hour drive

for my sister, I think it was an hour and a half, and they did it every single

week. So now when I finish this podcast,

I have to go and call And we take things for granted. It's, it is an hour drive for my sister. I think it was an hour and a half, and they did it every single week.

So now when I finish this podcast, I have to go and call them and thank them extra for visiting me every week. So it was very nice of them. You know, I was only in prison for two and a half months at the end of the day. So you had another guest on here, actually, a judge a few months ago, who said that he almost felt a teammate like embarrassed to talk prison stories. He said, because there are people who are in prison for five years, 10 years, 20 years, they have prison stories. They could call themselves prisoners. He said, he felt he didn't have the right to call himself really a prisoner, having just been in prison for nine months. I kind of felt the same way. I was in prison for two and a half months. my sentence was for four months. You get to prison, people ask you how long are you here for? And you say four months. Then you hear they're there for five or ten years. You almost feel guilty and embarrassed in a certain way. So I wasn't in prison long enough really to, you say, what's like feeling coming back to Danbury? I wasn't so traumatized. You know, it wasn't there long enough. Thank God. I think any kind of experience going, being away from home, whether it's like a day,

a couple months or years, you know, it just has that effect on person.

Like, because we've been through that.

Like the person that's been in prison for 10 years shares the same experience in some

elements as a person that's been away for a week, you know,

having that feeling of getting stripped out naked, uh, in front of a male guard or eating at

the chow hall or, you know, sleeping on that bunk away from your family. There's some of those

elements. Obviously, the experience as a whole is no comparison, um, but there are the elements

that everyone can relate to.

Right. I agree with you. Where'd you grow up? I grew up in New York. Part of my childhood

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