I Saw How Epstein Literally Made People Into Pawns

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🗓️ 10 August 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Michael Wolff, the best-selling author who was tapped by Jeffrey Epstein to write his biography spills the secrets of the pedophile—and of Donald Trump. Wolff reveals the twisted reality of life inside Epstein's New York mansion, where he had a chess set made with himself as king, then spills who the other pieces were carved to represent—as well as his bizarre encounter with Epstein's last girlfriend. He and Joanna Coles also analyze exactly what Trump means by building a new ballroom at the White House and what it says about the man in the Oval Office. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Donald Trump has used the White House as a stage set. It's a television set, a reality television show set.
0:11.5	I'm Joanna Coles of The Daily Beast. You are joining the Daily Beast. I am here with our regular guest, Michael Wolfe, to discuss what else Donald Trump. Remember, Michael is the man
0:22.7	who's written not one, not two, but four biographies of Donald Trump since he entered
0:28.4	the White House. And obviously we're going to be talking about the White House and what's going on
0:32.2	there today. But many comments, Michael, delighting in our dissection of Jeffrey Epstein's decal from the photos published in the New York Times last week.
0:44.8	But we left out some details.
0:46.6	Well, I, I've been thinking about this.
0:49.4	It's been on my mind that I did not tell you about the chess set. Of course he had a chest set. I always find
0:56.8	that one of those really pompous things that people do when they have a chest set out.
1:01.5	Well, this chest set is not like other chest set. Please tell me it wasn't naked girls.
1:08.5	No, but it was um um each the the pieces represented everyone in the household
1:17.5	oh what um so what was he what was geoffrey epstein he was the king um and um and his
1:26.2	what were their little carvings of them?
1:28.4	Yes.
1:29.2	Yes.
1:30.9	In recognisable carvings.
1:34.4	And the queen was his...
1:38.3	Epstein had a girlfriend of, you know, a number of years.
1:47.4	Epstein had a girlfriend of a number of years.
1:50.0	Why don't we know about her?
1:51.8	Because we don't know anything, because no one knows nothing.
1:57.9	Was she at these dinners that you would go to, these salons that he hosted?
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