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The Dr. Phil Podcast

I Pray For A New Pope Who Will Neither Condemn The Sinner Nor Bless The Sin

The Dr. Phil Podcast

Dr. Phil McGraw

Education, Society & Culture

4.313.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

As the conclave to elect the new Pope begins this week, Pope Francis blesses us with the opportunity to learn from his accomplishments and mistakes.

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0:00.0

I want to focus us all on the life of Pope Francis and its impact on each of us.

0:06.0

Today, that's the real story.

0:10.0

We begin this hour with breaking news.

0:13.0

Pope Emeritus Benedict the 16th has died.

0:16.0

At 7.35 this morning, the Bishop of Rome, Francis, return to the House of the Father.

0:21.8

I stand firmly with my Catholic friends who mourn the death of the Pope and join them in praying

0:27.6

for a new Pope who will reunite them. Doing that is consistent with the teachings of one

0:35.2

of the giants in my profession, the founder of analytic

0:39.1

psychology, Carl Jung, who incidentally was not Catholic either. I share some of his observations

0:45.5

about Catholicism, not just for my Catholic friends, but to help us non-Catholics as well in

0:52.4

evaluating the life of the Pope, applying principles central

0:56.4

to both Catholicism and psychology. You see, Carl Jung studied Catholicism in his pursuit

1:04.7

of understanding psychology. He said, even so, as a Protestant, it is quite clear to me that in its healing effects, no

1:13.9

creed is as closely akin to psychoanalysis as Catholicism.

1:19.3

He pointed out that the symbols of the Catholic liturgy offer the unconscious such a wealth

1:25.8

of possibilities for expression that they act as an

1:30.3

incomparable diet for the psyche. He recognized that psychology and Catholicism shared

1:37.8

similar methods, logic, and rules. I share some of that with you now in reviewing the life of Pope Francis.

1:47.0

The Pope's death has triggered much debate about his leadership of the Catholic Church.

1:53.0

This is 12-year-long papacy was in many ways a remarkable one, working in service to the church until the very day before he died. Last year you decided to allow Catholic priests to bless same-sex couples.

2:05.6

That's a big change. Why?

2:08.6

No, what I allowed was not to bless the union.

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