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The Dr. Phil Podcast

American Wombs for Sale: The Rise of Chinese Birth Tourism

The Dr. Phil Podcast

Dr. Phil McGraw

Education, Society & Culture

4.3 • 13.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

American Wombs for Sale: The Rise of Chinese Birth Tourism Is American citizenship quietly becoming a commodity—and who's cashing in?

From luxury maternity homes to international surrogacy contracts, Dr. Phil explores the growing industries helping foreign nationals—especially from China—secure U.S. citizenship for their children. Criminal defense attorney John McNicholas shares the details of a high-profile federal case involving a birth tourism ring that made millions. Parham Zar, director of a leading surrogacy agency, explains why families are choosing American surrogates and what separates surrogacy from birth tourism. But policy analyst for the Heritage Foundation, Emma Waters warns the trend could carry hidden national security risks. With President Donald Trump renewing calls to end birthright citizenship through executive order, Dr. Phil unpacks the legal loopholes, ethical dilemmas, and rising debate over what it really means to be born an American.

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0:00.0

People come to the U.S. specifically just to give birth so their kids have American citizenship.

0:05.0

Your client would help a Chinese national give birth in the United States, correct?

0:12.0

That's true.

0:13.0

Some say it's not just about fairness, it's about national security.

0:18.0

It opens the door for a number of potential security

0:21.2

risk they're looking for that miracle of having a child they're not thinking

0:24.8

about a pass court let me ask you something is citizenship something you're born with, or can you buy your way into it?

0:43.8

Now, I know some of you might be thinking, what's the big deal?

0:48.2

But let me tell you this whole issue of birth tourism, where foreign nationals come to the U.S. just to give birth so their

0:57.8

child can claim citizenship, well, it's a game changer. Some say it's not just about fairness,

1:06.3

it's about national security. And here's another twist. For some people, this is a legal option.

1:14.8

For others, it's just a loophole.

1:18.1

But now we've got a new wrinkle, international surrogacy.

1:22.4

Parents overseas are hiring American women

1:25.6

to carry their babies. These parents never set foot in the U.S.

1:31.3

yet their child walks away with a shiny new U.S. passport.

1:37.3

A growing number of women in the U.S. are becoming surrogates

1:41.3

for wealthy Chinese couples who can't have children of their own for biological

1:45.9

or legal reasons.

1:47.4

Coming here to the U.S. they, for one, their child will be a U.S. citizen.

1:51.8

I'm sure that has some draw to it.

1:54.5

Birthright citizenship is the concept that any child born on U.S. soil automatically receives

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