You've gone so deep. It's rare that somebody is like literally like thought about something like this more than I have, but I've met him and his name is Dan. Hey there, listeners, future callers, and cooking enthusiasts.

This is Dinner SOS, the show where we we help you save dinner or whatever you're cooking.

I'm Chris Morocco, food director of Bonapetit and Epicureus.

And today, I am joined by Dan Pashman.

You might recognize Dan's voice and iconic laugh from his work hosting the Sporkful

Podcast.

Or you might know him from the pasta shape he developed,

Kaskatelli, which was one of Time magazine's best inventions of 2021.

Later in the show, Dan and I will answer some listener questions but first I wanted to talk

pasta. You know most of the time I kind of come in here and I just wing it you know

but with you I was like, I need to do some research. I got to get

the lay of the land. I'm very honored. Yeah, I ate Kaskatelli, which I hadn't done before like I'd seen it right but I don't know it wasn't necessarily

stocked everywhere that I might buy pasta but the other day it was in a local market in

Bantam, Connecticut.

I think it was priced just under $5.

Okay.

I had just listened to most of Mission Impossible

and loved the background on it, you know, just how much effort it took for you to bring that into the world.

And I thought it was really good.

Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, legit.

Yeah, I mean, there were so many ups and daws in the process of making it and the initial

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