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Hello, welcome to political thinking.

The world is watching, said my guest this week,

after just 34,000 people voted in a by-election in a small town in Wales.

But it was a vote that sent shivers down the spine of the Labour Party,

as it suggests that Renap Yorath, the leader applied Cumbry,

could be the next first Minister of Wales and the first ever not from the Labour Party.

What is more, he and his party proved that Reform UK, on the rise in Wales as elsewhere, could be beaten.

He said the world is watching Wales, an emerging nation, starting to control our lives again.

And he's here with me in Westminster.

Welcome to political thinking.

Thank you, Nick.

Did I massacre your name? Because a lot of people do? No. It's quite an easy one to say, quite difficult to read. So, but you've said it

enough times now and it was perfect, Nick. I ask you, because you used to be a reporter here for BBC

Wales and not everybody always got it quite right, did they? No, I've had all sorts of butcherings over the years, but I forgive that. And it's a learning experience every time somebody has a go and doesn't quite get it right. But yeah, like the new mayor of New York, he had a few pronunciations of his name too. For me, it's R-H-U-N-A-P-I-R-T-H. There you go. And you're right. It isn't hard to pronounce. Michael Burke, I think, when you were on the 9 o'clock news massacred it. I remember that day, it was one of my very first pieces for network news. I was in Aberystwyth and we offered a phonetic version of my name and he said,

no, I'll be fine. And he didn't quite get it right. Yeah. And then, and you might find this

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