Oh, hello, this is Ben. Hi, who is this? Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. Hey, Jack, this is John. How you doing? John, what's up, John, how you doing?

John, what's up John?

How's, uh, how's life, brother?

Have we ever spoken before?

No, man.

I tripped over your thing. I was like doom scrolling on some terrible political

crap and there is like this green guy talking about people and I think some of

was hiding boogers under their jesk and I could not get enough.

Rock and roll. Yeah man. Rock and roll.

R. Oh, I'm. I'll tell you man. Yeah, go ahead.

I'm just gonna say I, uh you man. Yeah go ahead. I was just going to say I have been spiraling on like trying to like help people and give them advice and one of the big things I've been telling everybody like dude got this problem, you should go to therapy. I've never gone to therapy.

And listening to you constantly say,

you know, I'm a dude in a green, whatever, maybe you could talk to someone that actually gets into this more and I was like that's a great point

I've been doing therapy for the past like three months and it has been bomb ass great really so happy dude yeah oh that's

awesome what has it been has it been helpful for you, I think first off, when someone gives you an opportunity to listen a lot, it gives you enough

rope to start kind of hanging yourself.

And so when I say something, and I'm like, well, I'm a good person, but then I start like listing all the behaviors I have and it's like, okay, well, I'm kind of compromising my values there.

Yeah. It kind of puts a bigger spotlight on it and I have a therapist who's really good to just like letting me do that and I'm pretty just talking a million miles an hour anyway. So dude, the number of times she just kind of says,

well you just said this and this, which one are you? And it's like well not that I have to choose one

necessarily, but I realize I'm a very

complex contradictory person and not necessarily in the bad way and it says here you're you're you're 41 years old. This is your first time doing therapy in all 41 years?

Yeah, I had a I had a stint where growing up I had a lot of problems with depression and I ended up with I guess it was a doctor and they did

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