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🗓️ 18 November 2020
⏱️ 39 minutes
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A former police officer talks about shooting someone, and how it led him to study why and how often police killings happen.
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0:00.0 | A warning, this episode contains a graphic description of gun violence. |
0:05.0 | Every police related death, I mean it's like the person dies, their family is devastated, |
0:14.0 | it screws with the police officer that ends up doing it, it changes the culture of that squad, the whole community. |
0:21.0 | And then now as we've seen with these videos it can impact, you know, the stability of the country. |
0:30.0 | This is Death, Sex and Money. |
0:34.0 | The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot, then you talk about more. |
0:41.0 | I'm Anna Sale. |
0:45.0 | In the past few years, Tom Baker has spent hundreds of hours reading about police shootings and watching videos of them. |
0:58.0 | If anything trends on the internet in terms of officer and all shootings, I've seen it. |
1:05.0 | So I spent a lot of time watching these videos. |
1:09.0 | Tom is a PhD student at the University of Missouri at St. Louis. |
1:13.0 | He's studying criminology and criminal justice, and he's focusing on police use of force. |
1:19.0 | He recently combed through every police related death in the United States in 2017, more than 1800 incidents, some of which were on camera. |
1:28.0 | And the goal is to identify patterns and maybe things that police are doing that could be changed in some fundamental way or maybe just tweaked in a slight way. |
1:42.0 | So that you reduce the number of officer involved shootings and police related deaths. |
1:50.0 | This research is personal for Tom because in 2009, while he was a police officer in Phoenix, Arizona, Tom shot and killed someone. |
2:00.0 | I've already spent so much time thinking about it. |
2:04.0 | And a lot of times it's not a choice to think about it. |
2:08.0 | It's always going to be something that you're going to think about. |
2:13.0 | So when I watch these, I find it like I'm doing something productive. |
2:24.0 | Is it hard for you to watch them? |
2:27.0 | No. |
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