Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast.

Earlier this week I spoke to three truly independent voters in Phoenix about their views of the

midterms and we learned a lot about how politics have shifted here in the copper state.

So here's my conversation with Al Bell, a Navy veteran who was a registered Republican

for 52 years until he switched to being an independent.

He's joined by Amy Jensen, a speech pathologist who was a Republican until 2020 when she also

switched to becoming independent and Carolyn Van Oston, who has registered as an independent

since she was 21.

But says she has voted Democratic in recent elections.

Now here's our conversation.

I'm excited about this because I think the most powerful group of voters, perhaps,

in these midterm elections are going to be the independent voters, particularly independence

here in Arizona.

You're the largest voting block and yet I'm going to guess you never felt more out of touch

with the two major parties.

I agree.

That's, I think, we're in these unprecedented times that we just don't recognize either

of the parties, to be honest.

And you feel like a pretty fierce independent why?

What's chased you away from the Democrats or the Republicans?

Well actually, since I became a voter, I always have been an independent.

So I never really identified with either party.

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