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Hi, I'm Otto.

Welcome to Ellen Sarah's podcast.

How are you?

You're just taking some selfies?

I was trying to get my new eyebrows in a photo because I'm trying to do my before and after of my lip, my eyebrow blushing. Why are you pushing this on everybody else with you're like going to promote? Pushing it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not a gatekeeper. I mean, I'm allowing people to know what is working. I mean, like, you're welcome. But the problem is that every time I try to show my eyebrows, you see my wrinkles. And I'm trying, I don't know how to get rid of my wrinkles because they're so strong. Oh, I can show you how to face tune those out. Oh, yeah. But Aaron, you're, are you getting some freebies on this or no? No, you know that I like to promote for free.

Oh, God, I look terrible. I can't do that. Doing the Lord's work. Let me just give you a little tip, okay? Here's why you don't look good.

Oh, I didn't say it didn't look good. Oh, okay. Here's why it's not the most flattering light, I'm assuming, because you're not happy with it. You are side-lit. How many times I'm telling you,

I need to just quit it all. We talk about pivoting. I need to pivot into being a cinematographer,

a DP. Like if I could- Love light. You're obsessed with it. If I could hurry now, I could,

I could, I could be hired for season three of the show. Sarah's the

queen of looking straight at you and saying, this is terrible light for you. No offense. No, you don't know I'm, no offense. No, because when I'm looking at somebody and they look bad, I know I look bad, because I know it's the lighting is everything. Light can make someone look 25 and then another light, 55.

Okay, well, I am really, this light is not giving me these and then another light 55.

Okay, well, I am really, this light is not giving me these, these, I have those 11s, right?

The 11, the two lines in between your eyes, Botox no longer does it.

My muscles are stronger.

My muscles don't do it.

And I'm really struggling between my holistic side and my vanity because, you know, I'm not like, I'm not the world's most vain person. Like I get in my head about things for sure, but I'm, but I'm kind of like, I have talks with myself. And these wrinkles are are talking to me loudly. And I'm like, do I go get more Botox and just be too, do I be more aggressive with these lines?

Or do you just go straight to the brow lift?

Yeah.

Wait, I don't know if that would help me.

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