but let me be explicitly clear, it's not okay to make people feel guilty for doing simple things

to not lose their bleep and to balance work with trying to have some space for their brain cells

to not wither up and die.

Hey, hey, Emily, a body here coming to you from the AG studio. You are listening to Hurtle.

A while this focused podcast reconnected with everyone up from your favorite athletes to top

experts in industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and everything in between.

We all go through Hurtles in life and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

to better navigate yours and move with intention so that you can strive toward your own big potential.

And of course, have some fun along the way. Today I am Amt to be bringing you my conversation

with Melissa Dolman. She's an organizational psychologist, a former clinical mental health

therapist, and mental health at work specialist. And that's exactly what we're going to be chatting about.

How to navigate well-being at work and more specifically, a term that she has coined

called well-being shaming. And we dive into exactly what well-being shaming is and how harmful

that behavior can be. Plus, the reasons why well-being shaming may be happening in your workplace

from the mission to maintain the company's status quo to maybe someone wanting to fit in so that

they mimic the behavior of others. Melissa offers up a script that you can follow on how to better

explain your feelings when you are experiencing well-being shaming in your workplace.

And we also get into this really great discussion about the concept of work-life balance and how

it is possible if you put the right systems in place to safeguard your well-being including

overall mental and physical health. Really, really loved this conversation. I met Melissa

down at the BBYO International Convention. So a huge, huge thank you to the good people there

for connecting us. And speaking of traveling, I am really looking forward to tonight in Washington,

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