Humanity as Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde: The Symptoms, Patterns, and Drivers | Frankly 126
The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens
Nate Hagens
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🗓️ 20 February 2026
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
In this week's Frankly, Nate looks at how aggregate human behavior changes as groups scale from small tribes to large and complex societies. He uses the framing of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde throughout the episode to illustrate how traits that once helped small groups survive can serve to destabilize complex societies when expanded globally. Rather than a moral failing of the human species, he frames the more-than-human predicament as a predictable outcome that emerges when human instincts operate at large scales.
Nate also walks through the layers that make up the reality we experience. He starts with the major symptoms that increasingly draw our attention today like global heating, biodiversity loss, and geopolitical tensions. He then emphasizes that these surface problems are driven by recurring systemic patterns, which are kept in place by society-scale driving forces. The episode closes by asking the audience to reflect on what responsibility and agency look like in a world where powerful incentives shape collective outcomes.
Where do we see societal thresholds when scale removes the natural limits that once kept us in balance? How can we be aware of reinforcing deeper societal forces while trying to solve for symptoms? And if our instincts helped us survive in the past, what might a system that works to balance human nature and biophysical reality look like?
(Recorded February 11th, 2026)
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| 0:00.0 | Good morning. |
| 0:01.6 | This year, the plan is to spend more time articulating the various and increasingly relevant |
| 0:07.5 | to our lives responses to the more than human predicament. |
| 0:13.1 | But before that, I'll need to dive into the various scenarios and possibilities ahead of |
| 0:18.2 | us, current theories of change and what they're missing, probabilistic, |
| 0:22.3 | planning, shortfall risk, and only then the broad categories of interventions and associated |
| 0:30.0 | subcategories. But today's topic underpins and precedes all these and is a deep one, and therefore a long one, |
| 0:42.4 | but also foundational. |
| 1:01.0 | On a recent frankly, I asked, why is it that most people day-to-day feel more pro-social than the picture of humanity that is currently formed from our media and institutions |
| 1:07.0 | and the recent Jeffrey Epstein files? |
| 1:14.5 | And yes, part of the answer is that one system scale, |
| 1:22.1 | a small minority with dark triad traits, can shape institutions and outcomes for broader society. |
| 1:31.2 | But is that it? I've started to think a lot more about scale itself and about the patterns and drivers that show up once populations morph from small to large to currently huge over $8 billion. |
| 1:39.2 | A lot of my earlier work, Gulp 20 years ago now, focused on the behavior of individual |
| 1:46.9 | human beings and small groups, steep discount rates, cognitive biases, supernormal stimuli, |
| 1:53.5 | addiction, social status, in-group, outgrowth bias, and the like. |
| 2:00.3 | These are important to understand, especially for recognizing |
| 2:03.4 | and maybe steering our own personal behaviors. However, the behaviors of individuals and |
| 2:09.7 | small groups have decidedly different dynamics than large groups of humans in the millions |
| 2:15.7 | or billions. |
| 2:17.5 | The 21st century's interconnected crises that we discuss on this platform are not emerging |
| 2:22.5 | because humans suddenly became stupid or lazy or especially malicious. |
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