I think at heart everyone is vegan. No one looks at, at least no one that I've really honestly come to contact with, no one looks at violence and suffering and thinks nothing of it. I think when anyone sees violence or suffering and people being abused and mistreated or discrimination, I think it moves people in their spirit to do something, say something, to be

against it, to speak out in some sense. I think that people should do it because it truly reflects

their moral, their moral foundations. Welcome to the show. Today I had the pleasure of speaking with Seoul U-Banks. He is an artist,

a vegan activist, environmentalist, a musician, a photographer, he's worked for numerous

animal rights organizations in various capacities, and he is a leader in Atlanta's animal rights

movement. It was a really interesting conversation,

and I'm so glad I got to speak with him. Veganism doesn't come up on this show a lot, but this is

the podcast about animals, and so when I have the opportunity to speak with prominent animal

advocates, I'm going to take it. I know most of you aren't vegan, and I know that a vocal minority of you

can get really upset about this topic.

I know that many of you hate veganism

because you tell me.

For those people,

feel free to just skip this episode.

You really don't have to listen.

For the rest of you, the vegans,

and those of you who are willing to hear an opinion

that's not yet your own. I hope you

enjoy. So it's so nice to meet you and I like to ask this to all vegans. How did you become

vegan? What is your vegan journey? All right.

So my vegan journey, it started, I will say, when I was 13, I read a book called How to Eat,

Well, How to Eat to Live by Elijah Muhammad.

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