"Human Minds Are Stupid!" (with Rich Roll)
The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos
Pushkin Industries
4.7 • 14.6K Ratings
🗓️ 11 August 2025
⏱️ 148 minutes
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Summary
On his podcast, Rich Roll seeks to give his listeners the knowledge to unleash their best selves. He invited Dr Laurie on his show to explain the science-backed "rewirements" she recommends to make us happier. The wide-ranging interview covers lots of topics - but tackles the tricky question of why the human mind often encourages us to do things that are actually bad for our happiness.
The Happiness Lab will be back with a new series after Labor Day, but we'll be bringing you more interviews with Dr Laurie throughout the summer.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:04.0 | Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shunker. |
| 0:06.3 | I host a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans that combines behavioral science and storytelling |
| 0:11.7 | to help us navigate the big changes in our lives. |
| 0:14.9 | I get so choked up because I feel like your show and the conversations are what the world needs, encouraging, empowering, counter-programming that acts like a lighthouse when the world feels dark. |
| 0:30.4 | Listen to a slight change of plans wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:33.7 | If you like the show and want ad-free access to episodes a full week early, consider supporting us with a Pushkin plus subscription. |
| 0:41.7 | Subscribers also get ad-free access to all Pushkin shows, plus exclusive bonus episodes and full binges to some of our top podcasts, plus access to full audiobooks. |
| 0:52.9 | Sign up now on the A Slight Change of Plan's show page on Apple Podcasts |
| 0:57.0 | or at pushkin.fm slash plus. |
| 1:11.0 | Pushkin. |
| 1:16.9 | Hey, Happiness Lab listeners. |
| 1:21.9 | While we're hard at work prepping our next season on some of the must-read psychology books of 2025, |
| 1:27.7 | I thought you might appreciate hearing some of the fun conversations I get to have with smart folks outside of this show. And one of my recent favorites was the chat I had on the Rich Roll podcast. |
| 1:32.9 | Rich Roll is an incredibly cool guy. He's gotten to chat with an amazing array of people on his |
| 1:37.7 | show, from doctors to scientists to sports stars to explorers. My conversation with Rich covered a lot of ground. |
| 1:45.3 | And get ready because this episode does last a couple hours, |
| 1:48.4 | and I don't think we left any happiness stone unturned. |
| 1:51.3 | If you enjoy what you hear, |
| 1:52.6 | you should check out Rich's other interviews on the Rich Roll podcast. |
| 1:56.0 | You can download it wherever you get your shows. |
| 2:02.6 | We as a species have always been obsessed with happiness. |
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