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Hueng Min-Son Was Almost a Liverpool Player?! Running the Game with Ian Graham

Men In Blazers

Men In Blazers | Wondery

Fantasy Sports, Sports, Football, Soccer, Mib

4.65.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Rog is joined by Ludonautics founder and CEO Dr. Ian Graham to discuss the analytics and spending strategies behind the summer’s transfer window; what the stats say about Mo Salah’s age; why a Premier League goal is worth twice as much as one scored in MLS (analytically); and the story behind Son almost joining Liverpool.

“Running the Game” is a series from Men in Blazers where we speak to the brightest minds working behind-the-scenes at some of the biggest clubs in the world. We go deep on the business of football, boardroom strategy and culture to learn all it takes to run an elite football club today.

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0:00.0

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0:08.8

You're listening to the Meninblazers Media Network, Suboptimal Radio.

0:15.1

In an alternative timeline, Son and Femino would be Liverpool's frontline.

0:23.4

Our one and two choices were Femino and Son. Son was cruelly sent to Spurs and we got Christian Ben Deppi instead.

0:34.4

Life Truth, we all know the most important part of football is winning the transfer window.

0:39.9

And my guest today knows how to win a transfer window.

0:44.3

He's built a squad that can lift the Premier League title.

0:47.5

He's a Doctor of Physics for real.

0:49.2

That's not my hyperbole.

0:50.5

And he led Liverpool's Industry standard data analytics division from 2012 to

0:55.9

2023, wrote a quite brilliant book about it that I know so many of you enjoyed. It's called

1:01.6

How to Win the Premier League. Now his consultant group Ludenautics works with teams all over

1:08.3

the planet. His first appearance on this network was honestly the stuff

1:11.7

of instant classic. I'm thrilled to welcome back. It's Dr Ian Graham. Hello, Roger. Instant

1:17.5

classic. That's high praise and your track suit's a bit of a classic as well. Nilsartis,

1:22.6

Nis the optimum. I love it. Nothing but the mediocre. And Everton's slogan's got to have the word

1:27.4

nil in it, right? Why your arm off for a nil nil, Droryon. You're drinking your water out of a very humble bragged champions winning glass, which I am countering with a completed utter blank one. Still waiting, still waiting. It's coming. But the transfer window, it's become an

1:45.8

entity almost to itself, bigger than football. I mean, Fabrizio Romano can kind of live on

1:50.5

rumors all year, but appears to reverse hibernate and not sleep in the months when the transfer window

1:55.8

is open. Some fans prefer the buying and the selling more than the actual football.

2:01.7

You know, as a former club executive, how do you experience it?

2:05.3

Are you just like in a basement, in an undisclosed location, just tracking every move with, like, photos, old newspapers and string?

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