Ryan Fowler has a podcast called Commanding the Huddle, covers the NFL, used to cover our team as well,

at underscore Ryan Fowler underscore on X on Twitter.

We've had Ryan on this show before.

You know, I'm looking and scrolling through your, your X account right now, and at the very top of the list is right now, or close to the top of the list,

is the NFL odds-on favorite for defensive rookie of the year for the Cleveland

Browns Carson Swessinger, the linebacker from UCLA.

He's been unbelievable this year.

And then they've also got obviously the runaway defensive player of the year in Miles Garrett.

Like I've talked about Ryan Cleveland's defense this year.

Like what would it have taken offensively for them to be like a 500 team and in contention because their defense is sick.

It is. Kevin, first off, man, always pretty check me all, man.

I was going to talk to ball with you.

Yeah, good to have you back.

Yeah, it is really fun to watch this defense fly around, specifically Carson,

and really this entire rookie class, really, for what Cleveland's been.

But bottom line, if I could just get anybody in there to just be, I mean, the 20, 8th, 29th best quarterback in football to come in and just maneuver the ball around. And they haven't been able to do that. And you mentioned the rookie class, Kevin, Quintan Judkins has done a really nice job, you know, as a rookie as well.

So I'm kind of right there with you. This defense has been really, really fun to watch fly around, and it really is head on, of course, by Miles. But what Carson has done in the middle of that defense as a still a young guy, I'm out, of course, a rookie. A kid that was a walk-on to that UCLA program is pretty special. there's an ulterior motive for bringing up Cleveland first,

and I'll get to that in a moment. But where's Miles Garrett going to rank all time in terms of

defensive players when he's done? I think if he wasn't in Cleveland, right, the situation that has consistently surrounded them,

I absolutely think, Kevin, that there's an argument that he is the best defensive player in the history of the NFL.

I do think he's up there with the Lawrence Taylor's of the world, you know, the Reggie White's of the world, the Dionne Sanders of the world.

I absolutely think that he is

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