Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether

you're a grizzled veteran, trying to organize a class action lawsuit against

Suno for training its AI on your musical catalog, or else a scrappy upstart, working as a programmer

at Suno to rip off the entire history of recorded music.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everyone, it's the last Friday of September 2025, and I thank you for joining us. This week's show is

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