It's unholy. I'm Jonathan Friedland in London.

And I'm Unite Levy in Tel Aviv. Unholy, two Jews on the News.

This is our new thing, an extra episode every Tuesday, which will be our unholy conversations.

It's a whole thing, you need. It's brand new.

Very excited about this

because we've so often

had some brilliant,

brilliant guests on the podcast

and felt as if we would want to hear more

and let the conversation run a little bit.

And now we'll have that chance

with this dedicated conversations episode

every Tuesday.

And I think it's fair to say we begin in style.

Howard Jacobson is one of Britain's foremost novelists, essayists and critics.

He is a past winner of the Booker Prize for literature.

His new novel, Howell, is to my mind the first post-October 7 novel.

It tells the story of a head teacher of a London elementary school,

who is so perplexed by events after October 7. At one point, he ends up taking the

children of the school out to erase anti-Semitic graffiti. And we can hear a bit of that

with the flavour of the book. In this extract from the audiobook, read by

Paul Hertzberg, remembering the innocent good times when sweet little unaffiliated Zoe,

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