Grandma Girl here, I'm Nion Fog Fog Fog, and today I'm here with Jonathan Small,

an award-winning author, journalist, producer, and podcast host for 25 years he's worked as a

sought-after storyteller for such top media companies as the New York Times, Hurst, and Conde Nast.

He's held executive roles at just a whole. New York Times, Hurst, and Conde Nast.

He's held executive rolls out just a whole bunch of magazines.

He is the former Jake advice columnist for Glamour magazine,

if you remember that, and the the guy guru at Cosmo.

His podcast is right about now and gives a glimpse into the lives and stories of successful

writers, how they got there, what they learned, and what you need to

succeed. And we are here today talking about his new book right about now,

successful authors on overcoming obstacles, finding inspiration

and the birth of their careers. Jonathan Small, welcome to the Grammar Girl

podcast.

Mignol, it is so great to be be here a big fan of yours and your show yeah and I was on your show a while ago like mutual admiration society here

lots of love to go around.

Yeah, a fabulous book about, you know, these successful authors and a few other creative people and it's all about their origin stories.

You know, what do you think it is?

Why are we so interested in people's origin stories?

You know, when I started, came up with the idea for this book, I thought the same question because like I am always really interested in people's origin stories like from like, you know, movie characters to real people and I think it's that first of all they're just

inspirational right they show oftentimes especially when the origin stories of people you

really admire that the possible the impossible can be possible and you know in this particular book we're talking to

writers and I think a lot of people reading this book might have you know fantasies

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