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Channels with Peter Kafka

How worried—or excited—should we be about AI?

Channels with Peter Kafka

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Tv & Film, Business News, News

4.4585 Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

AI is amazing… or terrifying, depending on who you ask. This is a technology that elicits strong, almost existential reactions. So in the final episode of our special series about AI, we dig into the giant ambitions and enormous concerns people have about the very same tech. Featuring: New York Times tech columnist Kevin Roose (@kevinroose), who tells me why his viral conversation with Bing’s AI chatbot changed the way he thought about the new tech. Then: Google has everything to lose here, so I speak with James Manyika, Google’s Senior Vice President of Technology and Society, about the company’s ambitions for AI. [9:23] Plus: I talk to Professor Emily M. Bender (@emilymbender), one of the people behind a now-famous paper on AI’s limits. Her “stochastic parrot” seems to have hit a nerve with some of AI’s biggest proponents. So maybe she’s onto something. [29:30] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I've even got my soundboard here, so if I tell a bad joke, I can just go like...

1:13.6

That's Kevin Ruse. He's a tech columnist for the New York Times.

1:19.7

Then I co-host the Hard Fork podcast.

1:22.0

And I wanted to talk to Kevin about a profound and controversial evening he spent with an AI chatbot for Microsoft.

1:30.0

This was back in February when big, old, slow-moving Microsoft formally got into AI.

1:36.2

It had integrated an AI chatbot into Bing, its search engine.

1:40.3

And this was a really big deal.

1:41.9

It was the first time a giant tech company said,

1:45.4

AI is here.

1:46.5

It's ready for prime time.

1:48.2

And we are bringing it to you now.

1:51.4

At first, Kevin was head over heels about the new tech.

1:54.7

He said, in print, he was in awe of the new Bing.

1:58.9

But then he spent more time with Bing.

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