How will Trump try to end the war in Ukraine? – Gavin Esler asks Mark Galeotti

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🗓️ 15 January 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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What will Trump’s entry to the White House mean for the war between Russia and Ukraine? The incoming US insists he can get a ceasefire and end the conflict – but how feasible is this? Gavin Esler, of our sibling podcast This is Not a Drill, speaks to Russia expert Mark Galeotti, host of the In Moscow’s Shadows podcast. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to Indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit. www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Audio production: Robin Leeburn. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production https://www.podmasters.co.uk/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:26.0	Hello and welcome to The Bunker. I'm Gavin Esler.
0:34.1	At a Pentagon News conference in 2002, the US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld uttered his most famous comment.
0:39.0	He said that when it comes to wars and conflict, there are things we know that we know,
0:45.0	but there are also known unknowns, things we know we don't know. In today's episode of the bunker,
0:51.0	we're going to focus precisely on one of the biggest known unknowns of 2025. Could Donald Trump impose a ceasefire and some kind of peace settlement on the Ukraine war?
0:55.9	With President Trump saying that Vladimir Putin wants to meet him and a summit is being arranged,
1:00.8	what would a Ukraine peace settlement look like?
1:04.0	One theory goes like this.
1:05.5	If Ukraine's president, Volodymya Zelensky, proves difficult, Trump could stop armed shipments to Ukraine.
1:12.1	However, if Vladimir Putin proves recalcitrant, Trump could massively increase U.S. support for
1:18.9	Ukraine. The bunker has no crystal ball, but we do have a superb Russia expert in Professor
1:24.3	Mark Galliotti. Mark has written numerous books, including most recently
1:28.3	Forged in War, a military history of Russia from its beginnings to today. Mark, welcome to the
1:34.4	bunker. Good to be here. Well, let's start with a basic thesis. Could Donald Trump,
1:39.6	as president of the United States, rapidly end the Ukraine conflict, and we might get into the details.
1:45.0	I mean, we did talk about doing it within 24 hours. I assume that, at least, is a bit of a
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