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This is NPR's Life Kit. I'm Michelle Martin.

By now, we assume most people have heard about the talk.

That's the conversation many African-American parents have with their kids about how to avoid altercations with police or what to do and say if they're stopped.

But with the recent unrest sparked by anger over police brutality against black men, it got us thinking about the role that

white parents could play in talking to their kids about race and about this moment.

In this special episode of Life Kit, I talk with Jennifer Harvey, the author of Raising White

Kids, Bringing Up Children in a Racially Unjust America, about how white and all non-black

parents in particular can talk to their children

about concepts like privilege and allyship.

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Learn more at RWJF.org. Jennifer Harvey is also a professor of religion at

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