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Hey there, Sam Sanders here. I host It's Been a Minute from NPR.

And like so many of you, I have been spending a lot of time recently talking about policing

and race and the hurt a lot of us are feeling right now.

Today, the folks here at Life Kit wanted to share a discussion I had on my show with my

NPR colleague Kenya Young.

We discussed the talk.

This is the talk that black parents give their children, particularly their sons, about how they should deal with the police if they encounter them.

It is often a hard talk, a sad talk, and the stakes with this talk are really high.

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our wjjf.org. Kenya knows this talk all too well. She is my colleague and the executive

producer of NPR's Morning Edition. Like, she runs the whole show. She is also the mother of three

black boys. I have a 16 and a half year old,

a 14 year old and a four year old. How was the oldest 16? Because I remember you remember him

running around the building when he was when he was four years old. Exactly. Isn't that crazy?

It is crazy. It is 16 years old. He is. We actually took advantage of the pandemic with the empty parking lots and took some of our first driving lessons. You are brave and bold.

Well, it wasn't no cars out there, so. Yeah.

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